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Offline Kerry

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Re: What is the Conscience?
« Reply #10 on: December 02, 2018, 09:17:24 am »
Kerry -- ^

Ya.

Giving blessings to those who would do us evil means seeing past the illusion of evil in them by appearance to the image of God/Good that's actually there (judging not by appearance but rightly) means freeing ourselves from the illusions we have of ourselves as well. We see our "enemies" as God's beloved children but rue their errors. We all are the perfect reflection of God now (Paul's epiphanous now we are sons of God) because Infinite Perfection has made it impossible to actually be evil. The "picture" we are projecting by our wrong way of thinking (carnal mind) begins to change for the better as consciousness rises to be one with Consciousness and we see the creation as it always is, very good, the symbol of the rose in carnality/finite materiality exchanged for its glorious, permanent, everlasting, essence-reality. That's the practicality of the paradigm.


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Yes, there are two ways of judging others.  I was taught -- and firmly believe it since it makes so much sense -- that it is very dangerous to see anyone as worthless or beyond hope, as being so evil they can't be helped.  If we believe that, that would mean some force is stronger than God -- there is something God can't handle.  Then before we know what happened to us that evil which seems stronger to us than God has become our god.   We have imagined it to be so powerful that it could overwhelm others permanently, thus we grant it power over us. 

The other way, seeing others as God's children despite the illusions they project, helps dispel their illusions.  Do we see the "real person" or do we see the facade being projected?   Are we talking to the real person or the illusion?  Just talking to the illusion is going into a degree of agreement with it, and it can give it more power -- especially if we see it as a threat that we need to do something about.   

I think children lose their innocence when they think the world's evil is so powerful, they need to be evil too in order to survive.  The insanity is contagious.  We can say, "I don't want to do this, but I must be evil to survive."   This is imagining we can't exercise free will the way we really want to -- as loving children of God. 

What could go  irreparably  wrong when God is perfectly loving, wise and powerful?  If we think something could go seriously wrong, we are imagining something that cannot be.   

If we are tempted in our daily lives to believe otherwise, it is an opportunity to pierce the illusion and master it.   God does not tempt us, but he does allow us to be tempted in areas where we can profit. 

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Re: What is the Conscience?
« Reply #11 on: December 02, 2018, 03:47:49 pm »
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Yes, there are two ways of judging others.  I was taught -- and firmly believe it since it makes so much sense -- that it is very dangerous to see anyone as worthless or beyond hope, as being so evil they can't be helped.  If we believe that, that would mean some force is stronger than God -- there is something God can't handle.  Then before we know what happened to us that evil which seems stronger to us than God has become our god.   We have imagined it to be so powerful that it could overwhelm others permanently, thus we grant it power over us.

Precisely.

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The other way, seeing others as God's children despite the illusions they project, helps dispel their illusions.  Do we see the "real person" or do we see the facade being projected?  Are we talking to the real person or the illusion?  Just talking to the illusion is going into a degree of agreement with it, and it can give it more power -- especially if we see it as a threat that we need to do something about.


Ya, exactly. I would add that the starting point is dispelling our own illusions which is as you say, seeing others as God's children. Too, it's the way God sees all of His children which is the whole point of my paradigm. Having God Consciousness or Christ Mind (Jesus didn't think he was robbing God of anything when he claimed equality with Infinite Spirit) means seeing things as they really are, very good, because God can't look at evil. He only sees as real what He's created and His creation is very good, a reflection of its Author. This is accomplished by unceasing prayer, that is, saying yes to good, no to evil internally since everything good and bad comes through consciousness. How is it that Jesus was able to slip by or walk away from those who wanted to lay hands on him or worse? He understood that evil had no intrinsic power and so was able to dispel it.

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I think children lose their innocence when they think the world's evil is so powerful, they need to be evil too in order to survive.  The insanity is contagious.  We can say, "I don't want to do this, but I must be evil to survive."   This is imagining we can't exercise free will the way we really want to -- as loving children of God.

What could go  irreparably  wrong when God is perfectly loving, wise and powerful?  If we think something could go seriously wrong, we are imagining something that cannot be.   

That's the whole thing, isn't it? We don't really believe in an all-powerful, omnipresent, loving Spirit when the dreamer and dream are one, when the dreamer doesn't know that he's dreaming. We fear things and then act out of it. That's the Fall. Having a consciousness ruled by "other", fear, anxiety, worry, vanity, instead of being at rest in Truth (Christ) while doing things. It starts to change when we get tired of living in fear or the other negatives. The Kingdom is always "at hand" within Consciousness, here, now, eternally.

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If we are tempted in our daily lives to believe otherwise, it is an opportunity to pierce the illusion and master it.   God does not tempt us, but he does allow us to be tempted in areas where we can profit.
 

We profit when we turn to Him by our trials. We're tempted by suggestions and thoughts that appear real to us but have to be rejected as shadows, hypotheticals, something that the male/female aspects didn't do in the illustration of the garden. They're opportunities to continue to understand God better, thus to leave the dream of good/evil and enter the sublime world, the only world which actually exists. We ought to ask for understanding (Wisdom) above all because knowing God is salvation. There has to be a true basis for our yeses and no's, our rejection of vain imaginings contrary to very God, unassailable spiritual facts by Logos to build our works upon otherwise we're just guessing in the dark.


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