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Offline Kerry

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« on: December 16, 2018, 08:14:21 am »
It's not made a big splash in the news; but China has been withholding samples of the latest flu viruses from Western countries.  I realize not everyone believes flu vaccines work; but shouldn't people who believe it works be given the choice?  Why is China taking such an action if it's not political? 

August 29, 2018  China defies WHO, hinders U.S. development of bird flu vaccine, report says

Despite requests from U.S. research institutions and government officials, the Chinese government has concealed lab samples of H7N9, a type of bird flu, from the U.S. for more than a year, The New York Times reports. The specimens are necessary for creating vaccines and preparing for future biological threats.

Exchanges of such samples have previously been routine under rules the World Health Organization created.

But as the U.S. feuds with China over trade, scientists are concerned the critical exchange of medical supplies and information could be delayed, blocking the world's preparation for the next biological threat.

"Jeopardizing U.S. access to foreign pathogens and therapies to counter them undermines our nation's ability to protect against infections which can spread globally within days," Michael Callahan, MD, an infectious disease specialist at Harvard Medical School in Boston, told the Times.

Experts agree that the next global pandemic will probably come from the flu once again, and the H7N9 virus is a potential candidate.

"Pandemic influenza spreads faster than anything else," said Rick Bright, PhD, the director of Biomedical Advanced Research and Development Authority, an agency within HHS that oversees vaccine development. "There's nothing to hold it back or slow it down. Every minute counts."


August 28, 2018 China Has Been Withholding Bird Flu Samples for a Year. Here's Why Thousands Could Die

The alleged refusal of China to provide samples for over a year has baffled and infuriated experts who spoke to the New York Times. The transfer of samples typically takes months and relies on World Health Organization (WHO) rules. The holdup may be tied to the trade war started by the Trump administration, which has imposed waves of tariffs against China.

To make matters worse, the Chinese companies that produce flu vaccines in China for Chinese people have had huge problems.   It's not as if the Chinese think they can produce vaccines in China for sale in the West.

November 28, 2018 Sanofi hesitance, domestic scandal and company drama cut flu vaccine supply in China

It isn’t a scene one would expect after the world battled a severe flu season. But in China, supply of flu vaccines this season has come down, thanks to reduced offering from Sanofi Pasteur, a high-profile vaccine scandal and a nasty fight for control over a Nasdaq-listed company.

The number of flu shots approved by Chinese regulators so far this season has fallen about 19% to about 15.2 million doses, according to data from August to Nov. 25 as disclosed by China’s National Institute for Food and Drug Control, which is responsible for vaccine inspection before each batch is released to the market.

Sanofi Pasteur, which was the largest contributor during the same period last year with about 5.5 million doses, significantly reduced its offering to merely 1.2 million.


The article goes on in some detail about the various problems with flu vaccine production in China.  I found it shocking that they can't produce enough vaccine for their own domestic market, and yet seem bent on preventing the US from producing a vaccine for the latest flu strains.

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« Reply #1 on: December 16, 2018, 08:40:05 am »
Indirectly, maybe? China gives it to Deutschland who gives it to the US? Face?


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« Reply #2 on: December 16, 2018, 08:57:15 am »
I understand that the common American people have no choice but trusting their system as being of peace, of humanitarian aids and alike.

But, year after year, most people outside America witnessed evidences by which they have gradually lost their trust in whatever comes, officially or scientifically, from the US System.

Truth be said, I ceased to trust the US System after I personally discovered the biggest lie behind AIDS propaganda for which billions of dollars were invested, in all around the world and for many years, in order to present it as a natural disease/infection and to also relate it to sex.


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« Reply #3 on: December 16, 2018, 11:03:30 am »
I understand that the common American people have no choice but trusting their system as being of peace, of humanitarian aids and alike.
I think the average American does have a choice as to whether to trust the system. Some might feel like they don't have a choice but they do. Many Americans don't trust the system or support (agree with) it.

I think the same is true for most countries. There are people in those countries who trust the system in place there, some who feel like they don't have a choice but to trust that system, others who don't trust that system or support (agree with)it. People are more alike and have more in common than they realize.

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« Reply #4 on: December 16, 2018, 08:32:12 pm »
I understand that the common American people have no choice but trusting their system as being of peace, of humanitarian aids and alike.

But, year after year, most people outside America witnessed evidences by which they have gradually lost their trust in whatever comes, officially or scientifically, from the US System.
I mostly trust our system.  However  I trust few of the people who run for office.  The strength of the American system is that power is not centralized in the hands of one person.  Anyone who gets too outrageous can be brought down by the other branches. 

I trust (for the most part) the FBI and CIA.  I trust most of the departments because if they get too far out of bounds they can be chastised by Congress or the President or by the courts.   

Look at President Trump's predicament.  I don't know if he'll be impeached and convicted.  I rather think not.  I think he may resign in a year or so when the situation gets so hot he knows he can't win.  The Justice Department and the courts are doing their business as they should; and no one, not even the President, is above the law. 

For the most part too, our elections are far.  There are problems, but for the most part, things go as they should.  So if the Republicans mess up, they can get voted out.  If the Democrats mess up,  the same can happen to them.  The fact that they criticize each other all the time also helps keep them fairly honest; and if people in one party mess up, people in the other party will jump on them. 

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Truth be said, I ceased to trust the US System after I personally discovered the biggest lie behind AIDS propaganda for which billions of dollars were invested, in all around the world and for many years, in order to present it as a natural disease/infection and to also relate it to sex.
I think I believe what you call a lie.     

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_HIV/AIDS

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« Reply #5 on: December 16, 2018, 08:34:32 pm »
Indirectly, maybe? China gives it to Deutschland who gives it to the US? Face?


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I haven't heard of any connection like that.  There is a time problem, I think, since it takes time to develop and then manufacture the vaccine.   

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« Reply #6 on: December 17, 2018, 05:18:18 pm »
From South China Morning Post:   China and Russia band together on controversial heating experiments to modify the atmosphere

China and Russia have modified an important layer of the atmosphere above Europe to test a controversial technology for possible military application, according to Chinese scientists involved in the project.

A total of five experiments were carried out in June. One, on June 7, caused physical disturbance over an area as large as 126,000 sq km (49,000 square miles), or about half the size of Britain.

The modified zone, looming more than 500km (310 miles) high over Vasilsursk, a small Russian town in eastern Europe, experienced an electric spike with 10 times more negatively charged subatomic particles than surrounding regions.


It isn't much of a surprise that the Chinese and Russians are interested in this;  their cooperating is more of a  surprise.

The Sura base in Vasilsursk is believed to be the world’s first large-scale facility built for the purpose. Up and running in 1981, it enabled Soviet scientists to manipulate the sky as an instrument for military operations, such as submarine communication.

High-energy microwaves can pluck the electromagnetic field in ionosphere like fingers playing a harp. This can produce very low-frequency radio signals that can penetrate the ground or water – sometimes to depths of more than 100 metres (328 feet) in the ocean, which made it a possible communication method for submarines.

Changing the ionosphere over enemy territory can also disrupt or cut off their communication with satellites.

The US military learned from the Russian experiment and built a much larger facility to conduct similar tests.

The High Frequency Active Auroral Research Program, or HAARP, was established in Gakona, Alaska, in the 1990s with funding from the US military and the Defence Advanced Research Projects Agency.

The HAARP facility could generate a maximum 1 gigawatt of power, nearly four times that of Sura.

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« Reply #7 on: December 17, 2018, 05:21:44 pm »
From the same source:  Operation Z machine: China’s next big weapon in the nuclear ‘arms race’ could create clean fuel – or deadly bombs

It’s been described as a Chinese version of America’s “Z machine” – formally known as the Z Pulsed Power Facility – a giant wheel-like device developed by the United States to see how particles react under extreme radiation and magnetic pressure.

Z machines have been used in the development of nuclear weapons, from conventional warheads to the pure fusion bomb – a hydrogen bomb that can in theory be made in any size, cost a fraction of today’s nuclear stockpile and burn “cleanly” without producing radioactive fallout.

And for decades, the Z machine at Sandia National Laboratories in Albuquerque, New Mexico, has led the way in the field.

But now Chinese researchers are trying to build a machine that will produce much more electricity to create much more extreme environments for testing weapons, allowing scientists to delve deeper into the nuclear unknown.



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« Reply #8 on: December 17, 2018, 07:08:33 pm »
This is revolting news. 

https://abcnews.go.com/International/wireStory/us-sportswear-traced-factory-chinas-internment-camps-59873480

Chinese men and women locked in a mass detention camp where authorities are "re-educating" ethnic minorities are sewing clothes that have been imported all year by a U.S. sportswear company.

The camp, in Hotan, China, is one of a growing number of internment camps in the Xinjiang region, where by some estimates 1 million Muslims are detained, forced to give up their language and their religion and subject to political indoctrination. Now, the Chinese government is also forcing some detainees to work in manufacturing and food industries. Some of them are within the internment camps; others are privately-owned, state-subsidized factories where detainees are sent once they are released.

The Associated Press has tracked recent, ongoing shipments from one such factory — Hetian Taida Apparel — inside an internment camp to Badger Sportswear, a leading supplier in Statesville, North Carolina. Badger's clothes are sold on college campuses and to sports teams across the country, although there is no way to tell where any particular shirt made in Xinjiang ends up.

The shipments show how difficult it is to stop products made with forced labor from getting into the global supply chain, even though such imports are illegal in the U.S. Badger CEO John Anton said Sunday that the company would halt shipments while it investigates.


Of course, the Chinese have an explanation.   

Hetian Taida's chairman Wu Hongbo confirmed that the company has a factory inside a re-education compound, and said they provide employment to those trainees who were deemed by the government to be "unproblematic."

"We're making our contribution to eradicating poverty," Wu told the AP over the phone.

Chinese authorities say the camps offer free vocational training for Uighurs, Kazakhs and other minorities, mostly Muslims, as part of a plan to bring them into "a modern civilized" world and eliminate poverty in the region. They say that people in the centers have signed agreements to receive vocational training.


I'd like to know how much the people in these camps are being paid for their labor.   Calling it "free vocational training" isn't convincing.

However, a dozen people who either had been in a camp or had friends or family in one told the AP that detainees they knew were given no choice but to work at the factories. Most of the Uighurs and Kazakhs, who were interviewed in exile, also said that even people with professional jobs were retrained to do menial work.

Payment varied according to the factory. Some got paid nothing, while others earned up to several hundred dollars a month, they said — barely above minimum wage for the poorer parts of Xinjiang. A person with firsthand knowledge of the situation in one county estimated that more than 10,000 detainees — or 10 to 20 percent of the internment population there — are working in factories, with some earning just a tenth of what they used to earn before. The person declined to be named out of fear of retribution.

A former reporter for Xinjiang TV in exile said that during his month-long detention last year, young people in his camp were taken away in the mornings to work without compensation in carpentry and a cement factory.

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« Reply #9 on: December 18, 2018, 12:04:44 pm »
Kerry -  ^

"inside a re-education compound".

That says it all. What a moronic idea.



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