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« Reply #10 on: July 18, 2016, 02:14:41 pm »
Stay alert...there is a PayPal scam going on.
I got a very official email from "PayPal"
I double checked the sending address , as they tell you to...it look genuine.

It told me that I hadn't used my account for a while,( true) but all of a sudden there was lots of activity happening, They asked me to log in and change my password , using my old password to do this etc..
The thing I found strange was....my MasterCard had expired a while back and I had not given them my new number...so I was not " at risk" as no one could rack up any bills by using my Paypal.

I checked. There was No activity on my account at all.... Everything intact. But I closed out my account anyway, as I never use it now.

I have had similar email from "Apple" too....telling me to log in and change this or that password.
I call them...they always say..."it's a scam...forward the email to us."



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« Reply #11 on: August 18, 2016, 06:55:57 am »
Did you know there are places where you can buy one solar panel?    If you don't use much electricity,  one panel is enough.    I didn't get around to telling you all about the loans I made at Kiva; but yesterday, I saw I had enough cash there that I could make another loan, and I found a man in Yemen who could use a solar panel

Mohammed, who is 42 years old, is a married man who lives with his wife and two children in his own house in Dhamar governorate, Yemen. He has a Bachelor's degree in Sharia'a and Law.

Mohammed is an employee in the field of education in the public sector. He is the only breadwinner of his family as his wife is not working. His salary is very low and, certainly, it hardly covers the most essential expenses.

Due to the absence of public electricity in the city and other Yemenis cities as a result of the ongoing war for more than 17 months, Mohammed's wife has been suffering a lot because she cannot operate any electrical home appliances, especially the washing machine and refrigerator. His two children cannot live normally like other children in the world. They cannot play video games or watch their favorite tv programs. They are forced to sleep at early time at night as there is nothing to amuse them at night.

Mohammed has always wanted to purchase a solar power system to end the suffering of his family, but since it costs a lot he couldn’t; therefore, he has applied for a loan of 100,000 YER to purchase a 150W solar panel, a 100Amp. battery, a 1000w power inverter, a DC/AC LED TV, and a DC/AC satellite receiver.

Mohammed is looking forwards to opening his own legal firm in order to have an additional income source.


Some people in Africa get these panels and then charge their neighbors' phones and LED lights for a  fee.     One of the loans I didn't get around to posting was like that -- to some people in Rwanda

Kagozi is a group from Rulindo District in the Northern Province of Rwanda. Their village has no electricity and the group is seeking a loan to purchase a solar panel and equipment that will enable them create of a mobile phone charging business.

There are an estimated 100 mobile phones in this village, a critical tool for villagers to communicate with their families and to conduct business. Without electricity, people have resorted to dangerous alternatives such as using car batteries to recharge their mobile phones. With the proper equipment, the group will be able to provide a safer and affordable option to recharge phones.

They will repay the Kiva loan over a period of three years by charging USD 0.13 per phone recharge, a price similar to the current car battery solutions. With the money they make from recharging mobile phones and rechargeable LED lights, the members of the group will be able to improve their homes.


What I would like to see is a mobile phone that has its own tiny solar panel in it -- just put it in the sun or in some other light to recharge it.   

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« Reply #12 on: August 26, 2016, 05:45:20 am »
Enough people paid back on their loans that I could make another loan -- to Yelvin in Nicaragua

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The young man, Yelvin, is single and does not have children. He lives with his mother and studied up to the fifth grade of primary school. He did not continue because he had to work to support his mother. His maternal grandparents supported him in the purchase of a farm on which he has planted beans, corn, and cocoa, and raises pigs, but in the community where he lives there is no electricity. It is for this that he is asking for a loan to purchase a solar power system to be installed in his house which will be very useful for all the members of the household since they will be able to have light at night and in the early morning to do their field and household tasks. The young man, Yelvin, would be very grateful if the opportunity of this loan were granted to him to purchase this solar power system.



I love that forest in the background.  It looks peaceful there; and it sounds like a nice family to me.  Wouldn't it be wonderful if they could have some light at night?  Some loans take a while to fund; but this one already funded.    He and his family will get some lights at night. 

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« Reply #13 on: August 26, 2016, 02:39:42 pm »
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This is a story similar of a young man using book reading and natural abilty to bring power to his village and fresh water.

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« Reply #14 on: August 26, 2016, 09:18:57 pm »
A good story out of Malawi.  Government corruption there is rampant.   Some charities have found out the hard way.  They'd send money to the Malawi government to deal with various problems but little made it to the people who needed it.  Much was siphoned off to enrich a cult!  In other African countries, often a lot of aid money winds up in the pockets of government officials.  I can't fin the BBC story right now which was where I hear it; but I found a story that cited the BBC story.   
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The UK government is to stop giving money to Development Aid from People to People or DAPP charity in Malawi  following a BBC investigation which found it was under the control of a cult-like group.

Dapp, which runs education and health projects in the African country, has received millions of pounds in the last decade from the UK, EU and Unicef.

The Department for International Development has spent almost £6million funding the DAPP in Malawi. British officials have suspended funding and launched an investigation.

DAPP has links to the controversial Teachers Group, which has been investigated by the FBI and whose leader is wanted by Interpol over fraud allegations.

The BBC found that part of the funding it received found its way to the Teachers Group, with some Dapp staff handing over as much as 30% of their monthly salary to the group.

Founded in the 1970s, for years the Teachers Group has run a government-funded alternative school system, but in 2001 the Danish authorities raided its offices and charged its founder Mogens Amdi Petersen with fraud.

Found not guilty in 2006, he and some of his associates immediately left the country, but prosecutors appealed and the group are now wanted by Interpol.

It is thought they may have taken refuge in a massive luxury compound, worth an estimated £20m, on the Pacific coast in Mexico.

A spokeswoman for DFID said: “DFID has a zero tolerance approach to fraud and corruption – full stop. Payments to DAPP have been suspended and we encourage the BBC to share their evidence in full.”

A spokesperson from DAPP Malawi said: “Over the past 21 years, DAPP Malawi’s work has reached nearly 3 million people in Malawi, and at no time has donor funding ever been used for purposes other than those intended and agreed with donors.”

The British are looking into other ways of getting things funded -- paying for things (including wages to people) themselves instead of asking governments to do it is probably how it will go.

The story about William Kamkwamba  showed me his character.  So many people go to Europe or the US to get educated and  want to get good jobs and make lots of money so they don't return to their countries to help others.   To make matters worse, the European and American governments seem to encourage this,  being more generous with visas to people with good educations, thus sucking the most talented and most educated people out of countries that desperately need them.   I smiled when I read this: 

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As I look into the future, I intend to return to Malawi and use the knowledge I have acquired through my studies and interactions to continue solving the problems facing people in the my community and Malawi in general. I would like to create an innovation center where students from different universities and high schools can work together to develop ideas that help solve problems that people face in different communities. Many young people are talented and have brilliant ideas, yet they don’t exploit the full potential of these ideas because of a dearth of organizations that can incubate them. In addition to establishing this innovation center, I also intend to continue working on renewable energies such as wind, solar, and biogas, based on my commitment to help people get the energy they need for daily use.

There is hope for the world.  There really is.   

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« Reply #15 on: August 27, 2016, 09:35:44 pm »
It did my heart good to hear the story as well!!

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« Reply #16 on: September 03, 2016, 08:03:47 pm »
Wanted to let you know, Kiva isn't as good as I thought.   I was thinking about putting some money into it and researched it, and although its all good for Kiva, the money isn't given away by Kiva, Kiva gives it to a 3rd party lender, and there is a very high interest rate quite often from them, sometimes equaling 100%.   Can you find out anything else about the specific lenders?

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« Reply #17 on: September 04, 2016, 04:05:34 pm »
Thanks for telling me about this, Brad.  I'm looking into it.    So far, I found that some of the field partners  have very high levels of interest.  Kiva has some explanations for it,  and some of what they say seems to make sense.  I wish they were more open about the information -- the way they present things makes me wonder if they're trying to hide something.  My impression right now, right or wrong, is that they don't always know what's going on out in the field and don't always know who they're dealing with when it comes to their field partners.   

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« Reply #18 on: September 04, 2016, 07:57:49 pm »
I hope more can be found out, its a good idea on how to help others.

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« Reply #19 on: September 08, 2016, 06:37:08 pm »
I'm back after some tiring days at Dominos.  After some digging, I found this at Kiva:

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Why are your Field Partners' interest rates so high?

We often get questions about the interest and fees charged by our Field Partners, as the rates on Kiva's website often seem higher to lenders than what they're accustomed to seeing. The average interest rate and fees charged is noted using the “Average Cost to Borrower” field, and this helps cover the high operational costs of facilitating microloans and providing services to borrowers. At Kiva we believe that sustainability is critical to reaching more families and communities around the world, and charging interest to borrowers enables our Field Partners to cover their costs of providing a service, while working to achieve self-sustainability.

Because our Field Partners don’t have to pay interest to Kiva for funds provided by Kiva lenders, Kiva loans provide Field Partners with the flexibility to reach more communities and more rural or underserved populations. Most Kiva Field Partners do charge borrowers interest in some form, however Kiva will not partner with an organization that charges unreasonable interest rates, and we require Field Partners to fully disclose their rates. In addition, Kiva partners only with organizations and microfinance institutions that have a social mission to serve the poor, unbanked and underserved.

A couple of things to consider when thinking about interest rates:

1. As many of our partners serve communities in rural areas, the labor of distributing and collecting loan payments can add to the organization’s operational costs.

2. Comparisons of interest rates charged by commercial banks in underdeveloped countries and interest rates charged in developed countries can be misleading. A developed banking system can provide funds at lower rates, and when a bank facilitates larger loans, a lower proportion of costs are needed to cover transactional expenses. Microfinance is an expensive business, which is essentially the reason small loans are not provided by large banks.

3. Developing countries also typically have high inflation rates which need to be factored into the interest rates charged. For example, an interest rate of 20% per year in a country where inflation was 22% per year would not cover costs. The interest rate charged by the institution would need to be greater than 22% in order to simply cover the cost of inflation, let alone other operational costs.

In addition to the average cost to borrower, we list our Field Partners' return on assets (ROA) on their partner pages (kiva.org/partners) so that lenders can see how much money the Field Partner is making based on the loans they’re disbursing. ROA is a measure of profitability, and currently, our partner average a negative ROA.

For additional information about interest rates in the microfinance industry, check out: mftransparency.org/

I also found information on the interest rates charged by field partners at Wikipedia:

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Some people, including microfinance pioneer Muhammad Yunus, argue that the interest rates of many microcredit institutions are unreasonably high. In his latest book he argues that microfinance institutions that charge more than 15% above their long-term operating costs should face penalties.[47]

According to its web site, Kiva quotes interest rates as the "self reported average rate charged by the Field Partner to the entrepreneur."[48] As of January 7, 2010, 35.21% is the Average Interest Rate and Fees Borrowers Pay (Portfolio Yield) to All Kiva Field Partners.

For example, in 2009 micro-loans from Kiva partners in Guatemala averaged 23.16% for the equivalent of US$430 lent on average, comparable to the commercial BanRural rate of 24.5% for a loan of US$635.[49] (For reference, the inflation rate for Guatemala typically varies between 5 and 10% and was just 0.62% in 2009).[50]

Kiva does not publish the interest rates charged for the individual loans funded through its website. However, it does publish the average "Portfolio Yield" of each of its field partners, as a way for prospective lenders to estimate the cost to the borrower of the loans they consider funding. The "Portfolio Yield" measures the average income earned from the field partner's outstanding loan portfolio.[51] Some observers have pointed out that the "Portfolio Yield" measure is unreliable, and does not directly reflect the actual price that borrowers are paying for the loans.[52]

Kiva defends the interest rates of its field partners, however, saying its field partners provide much better rates than local alternatives, but must charge what they do because "the costs of making a micro-loan in the developing world are higher versus larger loans in the West."[48] Kiva itself does not keep any of the interest collected, but operates instead exclusively on donations.[53]

The high interest rates inherent in the Kiva model has inspired several other online microlending services, which aim to reduce the cost to borrowers. One example, United Prosperity, uses lender funds as security to leverage matching loan amounts from local banks, at lower interest rates than would otherwise be available to the borrowers.[54] United Prosperity works with field partners in India and Sri Lanka.[55]

Another example, Zidisha, reduces the cost to the borrowers by eliminating local field partners completely, facilitating direct interaction between the lenders and computer-literate borrowers, a model enabled by the rapid spread of internet access among the poor of developing countries in recent years.[56] Zidisha borrowers do not pay interest. Instead, they make a deposit into a reserve fund upon joining Zidisha, and thereafter pay a flat 5% fee for each loan to cover money transfer costs. The reserve fund compensates lenders if the borrower does not repay on time. Zidisha offers loans in Burkina Faso, Ghana, Guinea, Haiti, Indonesia, Kenya, Niger, Senegal and Zambia.[57] There are no intermediaries between the borrower and the lender, and borrowers write their own profiles and share updates and photos directly with lenders.[58]

Kiva itself launched a more direct peer-to-peer microlending platform, called Kiva Zip, in 2012. Kiva Zip transfers funds directly to borrowers without outsourcing disbursements and repayment collection to field partners. Instead, Kiva Zip partners with local institutions called Trustees, who vet loan applicants, provide mentorship, and may post profiles and updates on their behalf. Currently, Kiva Zip borrowers do not pay any interest or fees. Lenders are protected from currency risk but do not earn interest. Kiva Zip is considered an experimental platform, and offers loans in the United States and in Kenya. In the future, it hopes to expand to other locations.[59] Kiva Zip's repayment rate is 89.4%.[60]

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As of April 2012, there are a total of 188 field partners listed on the Kiva website and their status is as follows: 105 Active, 11 Paused, 30 Pilot and 42 Closed.[61] The following table shows the "Portfolio Yield"of a sampling of field partners.[61] "Portfolio Yield" figures are calculated by dividing all interest and fees paid by borrowers to the field partner by the average loan portfolio of the field partner that given year. The figure provides a more accurate insight into the costs of borrowing because it includes fees associated with borrowing.

There is a list there too of the interest rates of field partners -- which opens up if you click on "show."

I have had some other concerns when lending.   For example, once I saw several loans showing up all by the same field partner and all with groups of people who wanted loans so they could buy used clothes for resale.   It seemed pretty clear to me all these people didn't come up with the idea of selling used clothing on their own.  Where would they get the clothing?   I figured maybe the field partner was selling it or in partnership with the person who had a large stock and wanted to sell it to others for resale. 

And I also asked myself how a group of people buying clothes would make a profit selling them.   I could understand one person making a profit or maybe a husband and wife partnership; but how could seven or eight people make a profit?   Could they turn it into a business venture that would last?   I didn't think so, so I didn't make loans to them.

I am doubtful about some other loans too.   It's not that I doubt the sincerity of the people or of the field partners; I just wonder about the wisdom of loans for some things.   Why would someone want or need to buy seeds if he's an established farmer?   If he's borrowing money to buy seeds which are the GMO kind that he can't save seeds from to replant in the coming years,  am I helping him by lending him money?    Some want to buy both seeds and fertilizer; and I wonder if the land they are trying to farm is fertile enough to justify trying to grow crops on.   

It may sound callous, but I have ideas at times that may strike some as unkind.  Some people have had loans before.   Okay, that tells me the borrowers are probably honest and hardworking -- but it makes me wonder if the loans are actually helping them.   If a farmer needs to borrow money every year to buy seeds and fertilizer, I have to wonder about it.   Mostly I wonder about the wisdom and the integrity of the field partner.   Is he making money by keeping these people coming back to him for loans?   I don't know and can't judge; but I tend to avoid this kind of loan. 

I am also beginning to wonder why a group of people would want to buy calves, baby goats or other young livestock to raise and make a profit.  Do they know what they're doing?  Have they done this in the past?   If they have done it,  why do they need to buy baby animals? Don't the animals they raise  have offspring? 

I'm wondering now about the loan I made to the woman who wanted to buy baby bees.   I wondered about it then and wondering more now.   If she already had bees, why did she need to buy baby ones? 

It's a bit like the other loans where people want to buy baby goats or sheep, etc.    And the other day I saw a bunch of loans where groups of people wanted to buy young livestock  to raise -- all  in the same area, all the same field partner.  Who was selling them these baby animals?   I'd say he was making some money!  Was it the field partner or one of his relatives?  I asked myself if the group of people were actually wanting to buy these animals to raise so they could eat them themselves later.  That would make sense financially since it would save them money; but that's not what their aim was according to the listings. 

Sometimes I can see the wisdom of the listing and don't need to depend on intuition; but sometimes I do rely on intuition.    When I saw lots of listings for hygienic toilets in India, I can see how people would benefit.  While it may also be true that the field partner is involved in selling something himself or one of his relatives,  the people getting the toilets are getting something that will last and prove beneficial over time.     

The same thing  holds true for the field partners making loans so people can buy solar panels.  The field partners or their relatives may be making a profit by selling them; but perhaps they are charging lower interest rates since they're making money by the sales.   Maybe I should look into the interest rates charged there.   But still, the people will have their solar panels after they buy them -- and the benefits will last as long as the panels do. 



I was talking the other day to my sister about Kiva; and she said her husband probably wouldn't approve.  They have other charities they contribute to -- some of which make me wonder about.   I offered to send her a gift certificate so she could do it without annoying my brother-in-law that maybe they were wasting money.    Why that bothers him, I don't know -- they give the other money away -- and they'd probably get the money from Kiva back.   Oh well, he is a quirky fellow -- I love him, but he is quirky.   The stories I could tell.   But his heart is in the right place -- I really think so -- most of the time.  He  gets disturbed when people are ungrateful.   I can't blame him for that, not at all.   So I couldn't get my sister to get involved in Kiva, not even by giving her the gift certificate.   He is a quirky guy.   He and my sister once visited the Czech Republic to help Christians build a church -- that's a lot of effort if you ask me -- but he'd disapprove of my sister wasting time and money on Kiva?  Go figure!   They didn't get much done in the Czech Republican at that because of all the government regulations that made any kind of  progress tediously slow.

But if you want to try Kiva on my dime, Brad,  let me know and I'll be glad to send you a gift certificate so you can try it for free.   At the moment I don't have the cash at PayPal, so it might take a week or a few days for the funds to clear. 

The offer is good for other members too.   Just let me know, and  I'll put the money into Pay Pal and send you a gift certificate when the funds clear.